Hodgdon says the starting load of cfe blk for that Hyd 110 vmax is 22.5C The 'C' after a load means 'compressed'. I almost quit after two rounds. The 300 is very close to the 30 carbine so that is why it is used. (function() { I did not take a picture of trigger group, it was actually still very clean. I am happy to say that from a 24 barrel there was no flash when suppressed. Improved Military Rifle IMR 4227. 1059 Another round today and almost there, ready for fine tuning. Rem 7 1/2 primer The fun news is that with this setup I was able to have full function shooting Hornady 150 fmj #3037 bullets when suppressed. This would be for either a 300gr SMK or 350gr Maker. The initial loads in the original post were by the book. A 16 had very minor flash. H110 made sense to me since I load .357 sometimes. The powder is growing on me in a carbine gas system. The Hodgdon loading guide for the 300 Blackout, 150 grn bullet, 16" barrel shows a max recommended load (20.5C grns) that only produces 33,500 PSI max pressure. is the glorified version to run 110-220gr projectiles,sub & super sonic. Moreover, CFE BLK is perfect for subsonic, reduced loads. NOTE: Despite the BLK in the name, this is a NOT a black powder substitute. 11.2 grn H110 came out much better than A1680 I assume due to the shorter barrel and faster burn rate of H110. The original CFE 223 propellant was formulated for reduced copper fouling (CFE in the name refers to Copper Fouling Eraser). I've loaded the 300Whisper's multiple leade angle chamber designed for the 220-240gr projectiles since it's inception 30+ years ago & to date. The carbine gas system was not so bad, cycled and locked back with no problem. It was reasonably overcast when shooting, with plenty of snow. 892 fps. I've used H110, 4227, Lil' Gun, CFE, Blackout, Trail Boss, and A1680. In addition to being outstanding in the 300 Blackout, it performs well in many smaller capacity cartridges such as the 17 Hornet, 17 Ackley Hornet, 218 Bee, 221 Fireball and many more. I did not do the same detail cleaning on the carbine, so I only have a pic of the pistol gas components. One new winner* is announced every week! CFE BLK is a spherical (ball) powder. yeah thats pretty bad its not just a mark, I have a nice area 419 funnel Im using and I tap them down when filling to get it to settle. My 300 is mainly a range blaster so it does what I need it to do. "Still flying like gypsies, just a little closer to the ground" Trace Adkins. Rem 7 1/2 Be safe. But more importantly, in the same range. When I talked to Hodgdon the guy thought the velocity spread would be on the smaller side because of the 7 barrel. For a powder that was hyped as cleaner, quieter, less flash and any other thing you would expect in a powder specifically blended for a cartridge, it came up more than short. This is a modern smokeless powder suitable for a wide variety of popular cartridges. 774 fps ok? I really think the answer seems to be 100-110% case fill to get reasonable spreads. COSteve, I read your post, and I take it that none of the H110 comparison was with 300BO, correct? JavaScript is disabled. This spherical propellant is designed expressly for the 300 Remington AAC Blackout cartridge and meters very accurately. I have compared it to IMR 4198, RL7, 1680, Norma 200, and Vit powders N110, N120, N130, N530 & N133. Privacy Policy. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. Like 300 Blackout ammunition, it had the ability to be loaded to subsonic or supersonic levels and it would fit in a standard AR15 action and magazine. var s = document.getElementsByTagName('script')[0]; s.parentNode.insertBefore(ga, s); I loaded it with CFE and weighed it. And 300 AAC BLACKOUT with BERGER 115 to 230 grain .30 caliber bullets. Then select your bullet weight, powder manufacturer and powder type. Vintage Boxes - Gear, Shell, Case, Primer, Group Buys Design, Active , Waiting and Archives, Closed Buys/Waiting for delivery/in shipment, If this is your first visit, be sure to A very popular cartridge, this 50AE based case contains a .308 style CFE BLK did have exceptional accuracy though worth the 110 Vmax. I just need to figure out if a different seating stem would fit the bullets better. Brass fresh from the tumbler (well maybe 6 mos ago). Just to add more interesting stuff to the mixI ordered a little bottle of Puff-Lon to see what I can do. ALL Bulletin content is copyrighted, 2023 AccurateShooter.com. 11.5 grn I wanted to see how light of a bullet that could be cycled, I run an 18 1/10 twist carbine gassed rifle, port size is .110 with a M16 Lmt enhanced BCG and a JP heavy/tungsten captured spring using the heaviest spring. containers. 1063 There was one odd round that had a very low velocity. CFE BLK is also well-suited for the 6.8 Remington SPC and the 7.62X39 Russian cartridge. You are using an out of date browser. The change in the group from last week to this reflects that. A bunch CFE Pistol and a bunch of Blue Dot. Lil'Gun does better for accuracy in the bolt, but A1680 cycles the ARs more reliably with subs. (Call for this load data) 240 SMK I am working with Lil' Gun right now working up loads for a new addition for me, 458 SOCOM. Its hard an the ears and eyes. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. Mainly because I had a jug or two squirreled away. I was going to Houston anyway but it's a big city with lots of traffic. I did not want the 18 to go super( ). Im not going to hunt deer with it. Despite this huge disparity in pressure, muzzle velocity of the three is about the same (1,940, 1,971, and 1,899 FPS). Mar 13, 2019. hardcast loaded to 2.250". })(); To comment on a post, click Post Title or "Comment" Link. I know getting your choice of powders is tough right now, but maybe CFE isn't the best choice for that bullet weight. Hodgdon Lil'Gun. It provides full function in modern sporting rifles throughout a range of bullet weights and is perfect for subsonic loads. IMR 4227 is a lot closer to that original powder, and it works well in 300 Blackout. Hodgdon reports the CFE BLK meters well, allowing reloaders to throw very consistent charges every time: "This fine powder meters like a dream and leaves no copper residue, extending accuracy for longer shooting periods, and making clean-up quick and easy." CFE BLK Should Be on Dealers' Shelves in January 2017 I say try all of them and see which ones work best. Hodgdon Lil'Gun. Shooters World BUFFALO RIFLE. I have probably written it off as a short barrel/pistol gas powder. BTW, 18.5 grs pushing 110 gr Hornady SP's are way more accurate out of my cheap PSA rifle than I would have ever figured staring out. Not impressed would be the word of the day. 848 fps 208 Hornady Amax by alamo5000 Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:46 pm, Post It's also pretty nice when suppressed due to a lack of residue buildup. I'm using a suppressor and 16 inch barrel and there is plenty of gas to cycle the action reliably and give me around 1050 fps. JMHO, but I would back off of that. By comparison a sized empty case holds 24.5 grains of H110/296. I've thought about trying the 20.2g max, but it's been really accurate, so not worth messing with. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. Starting with heavy supers where I have questioned their load data pressure claims before. I dropped the charge .3 grn because I wanted to test velocity in both an 8 pistol gas system and an 18 carbine. It looks about like you would expect given the velocity spreads. CFE BLK specks, performance and handling are nearly a mirror image of Vit120,, except CFE is a bit . Surprisingly they list Lil'Gun as their preferred powder and not H110 or W296. That's the big problem with H110/296. New CFE BLK shares this reduced fouling technology which was developed originally for the U.S. military. After thousands of rds of both calibers I can say it is a good powder for full power loads in magnum calibers. check out the. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I could drop .5gr powder to lower the load to the minimum but I doubt it would then not deform the bullets. Hodgdon H110. I got like 5lbs of it for around $10-12/lb and its worked great for 125-150gr supers. I adjusted my die up in the press and its smoother but man its still marring the bullets with both seating stems. I have always had good luck with H110 and WW296 for that case . While the S.A.A.M.I.-recommended maximum overall cartridge length is 1.680 inches, my Marlin 1894 feeds 1.720-inch-long rounds without a hitch. I reload 357 and 44 mag so therefore I have a good supply of H-110. Editor: You should go directly to the Hodgdon Reloading Data Center. CFE BLK gives higher velocities with the 208 grain and heavier bullets. Spent a little more time with CFE today, learning the quirks of the powder. NEW CFE Pistol Reduced-Fouling Pistol Powder from Hodgdon, SHOT Show: Hodgdon Introduces New CFE223 Powder, Hodgdon Claims New CFE223 Ball Powder Deters Copper Fouling, New Redding Powder Measure for Small Varmint Cartridges, New 2012 Hodgdon Reloading Manual Coming Soon. Im right in the middle of the load data. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Still a fair amount of gas. More shooting will sort that out. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I also have some 130's to load up. Shooters World BUFFALO RIFLE. 1047 Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. Optimized for the .300 AAC Blackout cartridge, CFE BLK works great for .300 Blackout loads in AR-type rifles throughout the range of bullet weights. I just loaded at 22.5 and another at 22.0. Lil' Gun along with H110/W296 (same powder) and AA1680 are all great powders for 300BLK. Not being argumentative, just curious. (Note H110 & W296 are the same as of 2008 as is HP-38 & W231) (IMR 4227 is same as H-4227 if made in Australia).458 SOCOM From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (from Starline Brass) 458 SOCOM Brass (Large Pistol primer) 1.569-1.576 O.A.L. Did I forget to mention that gas proof goggles might not be a bad idea when shooting this powder? 300 Blackout 220 GR SIE HPBT Hodgdon CFE BLK .308" 2.260" Starting Loads Maximum Loads CALIBER BULLET WEIGHT MANUFACTURER POWDER BULLET DIAMETER C.O.L. It's a lot quieter than CFE BLK with the same velocity, it's amazingly clean and barely notice any gas. For lightweight supers the density is too high and yeah you'll be compressing even at starting load. All Rights Reserved. The Hodgdon loading guide for the 300 Blackout, 150 grn bullet, 16" barrel shows a max recommended load (20.5C grns) that only produces 33,500 PSI max pressure. Hodgdon shows a similar max charge of H110 (20.0) as Barnes, with similar velocity. Cartridge Overall Length: 2.02 inches. From my research, it seems to be best when nearly filling case, but not compressed, and I get nearly no unburned powder if I use CCI 450 Magnum primers. Definitely worth a try. 8 barrel Im new to reloading and dont want to make a mistake. Sounds like a good group, and a lot of powder. Not sure what weight you are using but I am using it in a 16 carbine length adjustable direct impinge gas system. Add in cast bullets to the mix and you have to start looking at peak pressure matching bullet hardness. Ramshot Enforcer. Start around 15gr with 4227 and work up. 18.5/H110/125 Sierra SP grouped in 1/2--3/4" range from my Contender . I dont really shoot subs so Im sticking with H110/W296 for now for my 125 TNT and 147-150gr FMJs. NRA Life Member, but the GOA is who I support. AVG 1050 Really wish my chrono would not flake out at these higher rifle speeds. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. The first test was 25.0 grs. Thats a big benefit for varmint shooters, who may put hundreds of rounds through a barrel in a single day on the varmint fields. MP300 will work and takes a little more powder than H110. Shooters World BLACKOUT. Hodgdon CFE BLK. The 300 AAC Blackout delivers ballistic performance comparable to 7.6239, yet possesses a base diameter that optimizes functionality in an AR-type platform. maximum average pressure for the 218 Bee is 40,000 CUP. That makes CFE BLK ideal for small cartridges such as the .17 Hornet and .221 Fireball. H110 is optimized for .30 Carbine. The 300 is a heavy for caliber version of the 30 carbine. This spreads out the seating force over a larger area of the bullet jacket. This is compared with H110 at 52,800 PSI and IMR 4227 at 48,700 PSI. So a little different than you are asking but I leave the H110 for the 44 mag. 1064 21.88, 22.08 I use H110 under 110gr Vmax bullets and get 2100fps out of an 8.5 inch barrel . Still marred. No amount of coating will keep 55,000 psi from cutting a soft bullet. Cookie Notice 150gr Speer Gold Dot (BLK variant) 2.255" Hodgdon CFEBLK 22.8gr 2025fps 25.2gr 2250fps 150gr Speer Gold Dot (BLK variant) 2.255" Accurate 1680 21.3gr 1925fps 23.7gr 2150fps 150gr Speer Boattail Soft Point 2.255" Hodgdon CFEBLK 23.2gr 2075fps 25.8gr 2300fps 150gr Speer Boattail Soft Point 2.255" Accurate 1680 21.7gr 2000fps 24.1gr 2225fps I set this rifle up for hot supers, Ive done a lot to slow down the bolt speed as much as possible. Hodgdons new CFE BLK (named after the .300 AAC Blackout cartridge) has a faster burn rate than the original CFE 223. Thats good news for shooters of small varmint cartridges. Check with leading vendors such as Brunos, Midsouth, and Powder Valley. 1038 It's a very dense powder. 8.6 BLK H110 vs CFE BLK I've got a load worked up using both A1680 and H110 for my 8" gas gun build. Honestly, I think 4227 and H110/296 to be the ideal powders for that bullet. 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